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Session 868, Minutes' June 19, 1967 Page 15 body such as the Human Relations Commission who knows the over-all value of the City and has a good feel for its value. He asked Dean Lesar whether the Commission has given this a great deal of consideration - whether they have compared it perhaps to the ordinance which concerns harrassment over the telephone or any other laws on the books where direct action can be gotten. Dean Lesar said he thinks "you have to rely to a considerable extent on citizen help and this is really the problem which the ttuman Relations Com- mission faces - this is the difficulty of getting citizens to come forward with evidence in any particular case. We simply get what we can and in- vestigate any complaints that we receive and then we try to work with the real estate people to enforce, in effect, the standard of conduct - to get them to agree to it and this is going to be the problem and it may be as Mr. Kohn suggests that if you give the citizen an additional reason to come forward with evidence he would be more likely to do it. I, at least, per- sonally, don't see any harm in it and it may be that it would be an in- ducement to get people to come fo~¢ard with the evidence." Mr. Fred Mishow, 711 Eastgate, next to be heard, said he wants to voice his support of what Mr. Eohn and Mr. Fowler said to the effect that the citizen should be allowed to take direct action by calling the police. Mayor Kaufman again called attention to the motion by Councilman Lieber- man, which had not yet been seconded, Councilman Epstein said she would like to make the following amendment to Bill No. 6403: Section 2 (b) the word "may" be substituted for the word "shall~' in the first line. Councilman Lieberman said he would like to speak to that. He doesn't agree that this should be done because he feels one of the primary obligations of any group that is going to be working with this particular Bill, if it becomes an Ordinance, must be, and shall be as it says in the Bill, keep track of the names and addresses of all real estate brokers and real es- tate salesmen acting as such within the City. Councilman Lieberman said this is very important and not only has he brought this out many times, but Mr. Lorenz (Executive Secretary of the Commission on Human Relations) and Councilman Woods have also brought this out: lack of communication with the real estate people operating within University City is deplorable and Councilman Lieberman expressed the view that the City must keep this area wide open so that it can communicate with them properly, but this can't be done if the City doesn't know who they are. He said that today the City doesn't know who they are - doesn't know what real estate agencies are operating within the City. He said, "You can't go to the State Commission and say 'give me a listing of the thousands and thousands of real estate agencies you've got' and just guess as to which ones are operating in this area - they're not listed on the Boards because the Boards don't include all of them by any means - there are a bunch of independents that are working in this City as well as many others - we have no idea who these people are - they can hurt us and they can hurt our future residents - people who are going to be paying taxes here for the next many, many years - by not letting these people know what their obligations are, not only to their customers, not only to their clients, but to this City as well. We've got to communicate with them to do it and I see as a natural thing for some group, somewhere, somehow, to.keep