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Session 1205, Minutes December 18, 1978 Page 7 Mr. Paul Packman, 6371 Waterman, a Parkview Agent, said that Parkview sub- division is generally in favor of this bill but there was one major question which has to do with the development of rules and regulations which will describe the restrictions in any given historic district. The Parkview Agents feel that in the submission of an application for an historic district, the primary specifications come from the applicants and will then be reviewed by a commission, as is done in the city of St. Louis. Mr. Packman asked Mr. Goldman why it was necessary that there be an increase in fees with regard to permits and what the phrase "public persuasion" (which Mr. Gold- man used several times while describing features of an historical district) means. Mr. Goldman will respond to Mr. Packman with some figures at a later time in writing in regard to the permits. Councilman Metcalfe said she thought what Mr. Goldman meant was that the recommendations of the commission to the Building Commissioner would, in effect, represent public review of the impact of various views, and Mr. Goldman said that was correct, and also the Building Commissioner could opt to ignore those recommendations or to uphold them, but the process is one of publicly reviewing a proposal or proposals. E. F. Porter, Jr., 341 Westgate, also an agent of Parkview, said he and the other agents applaud the purposes of the ordinance, but have reservations about the administrative and legal structure of it, and the appointment of the expert commission. He said that architects and attorneys are defined by law, but historians are not. Mr. Porter said he agreed with Mr. Gold- man that it is the weight of public review that is going to make this bill work, and not the commission, and further, it is his opinion that the standards and specifications for a particular neighborhood be set forth not as a matter of regulation by an appointed body, but as embodied in an ordinance. James Carl, 7110 Washington, a trustee of University Heights No. 3, had a specific question about that subdivision and the impact this ordinance might have on it, and was asked to talk to John Lindenbusch to have his question answered. Councilman Metcalfe wanted to know why those who drafted the ordinance did not write it to include that the neighborhoods might draft some of the regu- lations, and to include the Council's having approval rights over the Com- mission's regulations. Mr. Weinberg answered this by saying he did not think it was unusual to create an administrative body and to give it rule- making power. In creating the expert commission and giving it rule-making powers, it was also given no powers of refusal in any area. The Committee is going to make its standards good only if its standards are reasonable, and if the Commission is able to persuade the Council, the Board of Adjust- ment and the Zoning Administrator that their regulations are reasonable. The Committee would also include a member of the Council, the City Manager and the Zoning Administrator. Mr. Weinberg felt that the Council would not want to have approval rights on everything the commission does, since some of it will be very inconsequential, especially since the Zoning Administrator, appointed by the Council, will be involved. Mr. Weinberg said in answer to Mr. Packman's and Mr. Porter's reservations about the neighborhoods taking part in drafting regulations that this will take place during the process of being reviewed for application as an historic