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Session 1896 September 4, 2003 Mr. Wagner affirmed including the curb feature if there was a choice between it and the curb. Ms. Welsch asked if irrigation is for the lawn area on each side of the pool. Mr. Ollendorff next introduced the engineer's diagrams of slopes and explained them to the Council. The proposed deck will have a slightly greater slope than the existing one. One typical point is this: the top of the curb is level, but the deck is not: it varies according to the deep and shallow ends of the pool, where it is steep, but on the east and west sides the slope is away from the pool, as pointed out by Ms. Welsch in one of her memos. The diagram shown now is a typical cross-section and it is one of the pieces requested by Council for clarification. Not available is information from those people conversant with code issues: neither St. Louis County who approve the pool plan nor ADA authorities at Local, State and Federal levels have responded with definitive information. Answers are expected within a week and will be forwarded to Council members. Ms. Welsch presented some information from ADA, which states that something cannot be made less accessible when renovation or restoration is undertaken. The slope has to be one in fifty (going down one inch in fifty inches). Ollendorff explained that while he is not familiar with the standard, the engineer guaranteed two standards must be met: 1) the slope must exceed a certain slope to carry the water, (and this is); and 2) it has to be less than the maximum slope for safety (and this is.) The proposed plan meets both the minimum for water flow and is below the maximum for ADA safety. There was some discussion based upon observation of the diagrams and questions about how it relates to standards. First, Mr. Ollendorff said if a curb is added to the plans, there will be a 17-inch drop off to the water, which is too much. Adding the curb will call for redesign work, which is why the cost would increase; but that is why their estimate of the cost is so much lower than Mr. Ollendorff's. There are little additional construction costs to because it would be constructed as part of the basic core of the new deck. The cost could be lower. The engineers felt the cost to add the curb is more accurate than the original cost presented by Mr. Ollendorff at an earlier Council meeting. Mr. Ollendorff suggested that the final decision be made at the September 15, 2003 meeting, by which time all additional information should have been received and disseminated to members. Since the curb is integral to the design, the decision must be made by the end of September. Page 4