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Session 710, Minutes August 20, 1962 Page 16 answered that this is a relative question - it will make undoubtedly more effective the stopping regulation, but the big question is whether it is ~orth 91,000 to proceed with this type of improvement. He said the ad- ministrative forces are providing this information at a request - there are ma~y possibilities as to what might happen at this intersection and the administrative forces are not taking any strong stand for or against this particular proposal'. Councilman Tandler said he takes it then that the proposition of the sus- pended red blinker does not necessarily bear on the things that have been brought before the Traffic Conmission recently, such as the extension of the island and regulation of turning movements, u4~ereupon City Hanager Henry said this is independent of those proposals. The City l4anager ex- plained that Councilman Tandler had presented a plan which was somewhat less c,cmplex than the previous one which involved extending the island. Councilman Tandler said he thinks the problem at this intersection, aside from the traffic movements, is one of stopping traffic at certain points, making sure they stop and stopping them in the right locations -- he said the problem at the present time is that vestbound Olive Street traffic is being stopped too far from the intersection to be really a proper stop in relatic~ship to pedestrian traffic. He said the problem as it was stated was that it is necessary to bring the stop to the crosswalks, and Council- man Tandler reviewed the proposed plan. Hayor Kaufman asked whether this would still be an experiment and he added he has no objection to experimenting with portable signs perhaps, but there is question in his mind when $1000 is involved, and he asked whether there is any reasonable assurance that what the City wants to accomplish will be accomplished if the money is expended. City Hanager Henry said he is not sure that all of the problems would really be solved and he pointed up some of the difficulties, further explaining the procedure followed during school seasons. He said the purpose of the lights, he thinks, is more to be certain that drivers realize there are stop signs there and pay attention to them. Councilman Baris expressed the vie~ that the cost is extremely high for the amount of work that is to be done, and he raised the question of whether the City cannot do the job. City Hanager Henry explained that the City could not, with its equipment, do this, and he added that he is not saying that Dron's price is the final price -- the City would ask for bids and it is possible the cost would be substantially reduced - there are a number of other firms in the area who do this type of work. Discussion continued and the City Hanager continued to answer questions propounded by members of the Council. Hayor Kaufman inquired of Hrs. Elsie Clickart, 6712 Etzel Avenue, who had appeared before the Council several times in the past on this matter, whether she would like to make a presentation, whereupon Hrs. Glickert came forward. Hrs. Clickart stressed the need for some appropriate measure to be taken to assure the safety of pedestrians in the area in question and stated that she had suggested to City Hanager Henry the possibility of overhead red flashing lights. Hrs. Clickerr said that she