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Session 710, l~nutes August 20, 1962 realizes this would not be a complete solution, but would be a step in the right direction. She said the children are well protected during the school terms, but protection must also be afforded to adult pedestrians as well. In response to con~nent byMayor Kaufman that the question is whether these lights will solve the problem, Mrs. Clickerr suggested that she does not believe anythin~ can be decided until it is tried. She point- ed out there has been no alternate solution to the island which has been approved by the Traffic Commission, but disapproved by the business people in the area and there has been no proof that that would be a solution, and she added that certainly that would cost some money. ~Lsyor Eaufinan said that one problem is that pedestrians may have a false sense of security when they see the red flashing lights - he said this is not to suggest that the Council has taken any position. Mrs. Gl!ckert called attention to illegal parking of automobiles on the north side of the street - some cars parking on the pedestrian crossing adding to the problem because Stop signs cannot be seen over the tops of the cars. Nayor Kaufman requested the City Nanager to check into this. Mrs. Gltckert emphasized the need for prompt action. Councilman Tandler said he is inclined to agree to the need for overhead signals, but the only thins he is questioning at this time is whether there is a better way of stopping westbound Naple traffic so it too will stop roughly at the east line of Westgate Avenue. He said possibly a flashing signal could be mounted on the same wire as the one for the east and westbound Olive and the northbound Westgate traffic and placed approximately 20 or 30 feet north of the three way so that it will flash directly east intoNepie and possibly northeast into the cut-off, so that that traffic will be stopped at a point roughly even with the east line of Westgate Avenue. He said the only other thine he could suggest is that a large sign be suspended at each signal which would say "Stopat Line" or "Stop at White Line" - if that were done and the City painted a very visible white line onto the pavement a motorist would know that this signal is telling him to stop at a certain point, which Councilman Tendlet added, perhaps should be done in any event. Councilm~n Epstein said she thinks it is very important that the stop be made close enough to the crosswalk so that the people are thoroughly pro- tected. Mrs. Gleekerr said she would like to make a further suggestion: that a sign be placed on 0live Street Road, in a conspicuous spot, which would give pedestrians the right-of-way. Councilm~n Tandler discussed a proposal recently submitted to the Traffic Commission of extending the island west~ard so that a Stop sign can be placed in the proper location for westbound' traffic and the possible regulation of turning movements between Westgate and Sutter, so that the intersec~ion will not have as many turning conflicts as it has no~. He answered questions raised by Mrs. Glickert. Councilman Tandler observed that unless there is safe vehicular traffic, there cannot be safe pedest- rian passage, and he said it is true that east and vest traffic would be better s~opped by flashing signals than it is at the present time~ but the question is whether a confused motorist (and he added it is very easy