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Mr. Greatens stated that a memo was distributed with a table summarizing previous review and actions taken on the roundabout project. He stated that the HPC recommended approval of the roundabout and determined conformance with district standards, but some details had not been reviewed yet. He stated that the district standards made reference to other plans which could be utilized in the review of proposed developments within the Civic Plaza Historic District, one of which was the Civic Plaza Master Plan from 1985 and the Landscape Plan from 1993. The 1985 Plan referenced improvement of parking and circulation and improvement of curbing and streetscape and the intent of the Plan was to provide for improved vehicular and pedestrian environment. He stated that the 1985 Plan was endorsed by the Plan Commission and adopted by the City Council as guidelines that provided an illustration for possibilities in the District. The 1993 Plan was a follow-up to the 1985 Plan and was not adopted by the City Council. He stated that Mr. Rich Wilson, Director of Public Works and Parks, was present to explain the minor adjustments to the roundabout design that were referenced in the memo distributed. Mr. Wilson stated that he was glad the issue of symmetry came up at the meeting and it should have come up two years ago. He understood the importance of symmetry and after listening to comments over the past two years, decided the best option was to make some changes and make the roundabout symmetrical. He showed the plan from 2012 and explained that at the Lion Gates, the lanes were not stated that originally the trolley was proposed to be parked in front of the music building (across Delmar from City Hall) and the curb line in front of the music building and City Hall was to be all new granite with grass. Mr. Wilson showed the new design and stated it was not much different but the new design was very symmetrical. It would be centered as it goes through the Lion Gates and the outline of curing would match on both sides of Delmar; the landscape islands are exact matches. The new easternmost traffic island was not completely symmetrical due to the required left-turn lane into Mike King Drive. The new design was shifted about 5.2 feet to the southeast from the original design; the size was the same, bringing the roundabout to the center of Delmar. Regarding the previous discussion about shifting the roundabout east, Mr. Wilson stated that a different engineer had designed it to be 30 feet to the east, but when the original engineer reviewed the proposal, there were concerns about the entry angle to the roundabout lanes and it might not force traffic to slow down enough. He stated that the proposed roundabout would include an inner circle that would be raised two inches and in the final design, traffic would be forced to slow down. Mr. Wilson showed a cross-section with proposed staggered curb and that the area between was originally grass but is now proposed as pavers; the curbs would remain in front of City Hall and the music building. The staggered curb would keep traffic so it cannot cross over due to the staggered granite curb, six inches high, and every five feet. He stated that another option was bollards, but thought it would be too cluttered. Questions/Comments from Commission members and responses from the applicant included: -Why were pavers proposed in the space between the curbs? Mr. Wilson stated it was to accent the space and to separate the asphalt from the grass and people would see the separation and not drive on it. -There was concern that people might still drive in this area and it could be confusing at night. -It was stated that the symmetry of the original curb lines would be kept and the Commission members agreed that the changes made would be better for traffic circulation and for symmetry, but there was concern about confusion for drivers. Mr. Wilson stated the original desire was for it to be a painted line and then asphalt, but there are pedestrian crossings that extend out and a car could possibly veer off and hit a pedestrian; pedestrians need physical protection such as bollards or curbs. tğŭĻ Ѝ ƚŅ Ў